Is the engine number indicated in the PTS?

Where can I find the engine model and number in the vehicle title?

In 2018, the procedure for registering cars was changed, which includes, among other things, registration of a replaced engine. When purchasing a used car and registering it with the traffic police, there may be a discrepancy between the model and engine number in the title and in the car. Also, the engine numbering in the PTS may be unreadable. In such situations, difficulties can sometimes be avoided.

Where is the engine number indicated on the PTS?

The technical passport contains the most important technical characteristics of the car. You can also obtain data from the PTS to identify some of its components. Data on the numbering and engine model of the car are in paragraphs 10 to 12. From the PTS you can obtain the following information:

factory numbering of the car engine;
its power;
type and model of the vehicle component;
in some cases the cylindrical volume is indicated.

In paragraph 10 of the PTS, engine power indicators are indicated in horsepower and kW (through a slash or in parentheses). The next paragraph indicates the engine volume in cubic centimeters. Paragraph 12 contains information about the type of component of the car (petrol, diesel, etc.).

How to look for the number on the engine

To determine the engine number in a car, you should consider the numbers written at the head of the crankcase of the spare part. The combination of numbers on the main spare part of the car and in the registration certificate must match. The PTS must contain only reliable information about the car.

If a discrepancy is detected, then you should be wary. The vehicle could have been stolen, after which the engine was replaced.

Checking engine number

In modern cars it can be quite difficult to get to the engine license plate. To see it, you will need to remove some parts. Therefore, during the registration procedure, the specialist may not focus on reconciling the numbering. But motorists should not rely on luck alone, since everyone can check their data. You should not hope for leniency if the engine number is located in an area accessible to control.

In some regions of the country, the traffic police does not focus attention on the discrepancy between the numbers in the registration certificate and on the engine, provided that the replacement was made with a similar engine. No adjustments are made to the passport, no documentation is required to certify the validity of the replacement, and the vehicle will be registered. But in another region of the Russian Federation, the registration process may be refused due to a mismatch between the PTS and engine numbers. To justify the refusal, government employees refer to Appendix No. 1 of Order No. 605.

If the engine number does not match the number in the PTS

When it is discovered that the engine number does not match with the title, the car owner’s procedure is determined by the correspondence of some parameters between the old and new engines:

Are the engine types the same?
their models;
technical specifications;
Is the installed engine wanted by the traffic police?

To register a car, a citizen will need to collect the following package of documentation:

civil passport (original with copy);
PTS (original with copy);
STS;
auto insurance policy;
motor purchase certificate;
check for payment of state tax in the amount of 1300 rubles;
report from the car service center where the engine was replaced;
a copy of the certificate from the car service for the work;
For exported motors, a cargo customs declaration will be required.

The collected documentation, along with the application, is transferred to the traffic police department at the place of registration. The employee will inspect the car, put a note on the application, after which the package of papers will be handed over to the car owner. You can now send documents to the receiving window. The driver will be notified of their readiness.

If the engine is replaced with a similar one

In most cases, when replacing an engine with a similar one, traffic police officers do not ask unnecessary questions to the motorist. The registration procedure takes place as usual, the necessary adjustments are made to the database and PTS. No one should be interested in the origin of the motor. This replacement complies with legal requirements.

There are situations when MREO employees refuse to register a vehicle for motorists, but this is not legal. As a rule, after filming the procedure and requiring a written justification for the refusal, the problem is resolved.

The motor was replaced with another model

If replacing the engine led to a transformation of the technical parameters of the car, then they will need to be registered. A change in technical characteristics will be a consequence of installing a motor of greater or lesser power, a different model, or type.

In this case, the car enthusiast will need the following procedure:

Send the car for preliminary technical examination. A similar service is offered by licensed organizations.
At the traffic police department, the car owner should obtain permits to make changes.
Next you need to undergo a technical inspection procedure.
Send the car for a secondary examination.
At the final stage, the motorist will be issued a certificate certifying that the adjustments have been made.

Without registering changes in the technical structure of the car, the motorist will not be able to register it. The procedure will be denied.

But in this case, the car enthusiast has a chance. If he can prove that the installed engine was purchased as a spare part for a car, then the traffic police may meet him halfway.

The motorist must attach a certificate to the documentation package certifying that the engine has been tested on a car of the same brand. Tests must be carried out in accordance with the provisions of the technical regulations on vehicle safety. The certificate can be obtained from the dealer from whom the engine was purchased. Upon request from the buyer, the necessary documentation must be provided.

How to change the engine in the registration certificate

The procedure for making adjustments to the information available in the PTS of a vehicle with an engine capacity of 50 cubic meters or more. cm, is determined by Order of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation No. 496 and other legislative standards.

Before making changes to the PTS form, traffic police officers check the engine using their databases for legality and legality. If everything is in order, then the registration procedure proceeds as usual.

In accordance with the law, all changes and adjustments must be certified by the management of the MREO, where the amendments were made. The document is certified with a stamp.

If there is no engine number or a different number: difficulties and problems

Let's start with the fact that many drivers from different countries have heard or encountered various difficulties when registering a vehicle with an unreadable or mismatched engine number, but today not everyone is fully competent in this matter.

In other words, the traffic police could not refuse registration (registration) due to the absence or discrepancy of the engine number in the title. Car enthusiasts happily accepted this initiative, since, in fact, the engine could be considered an ordinary spare part and, if necessary, freely replace a heavily worn or broken unit with a similar contract one.

However, in practice everything turned out to be somewhat different. A frequent situation has become when owners are faced with a refusal when trying to register a car with the traffic police, and the reason is precisely the mismatch of the engine number. In this article we will talk about what problems and difficulties can arise when buying a car that does not have an engine number in the title, the engine number does not match, the engine number has been cut off, rusted or is badly damaged.

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Checking engine number

First of all, it is important to understand that installing a so-called “non-standard” engine is an independent modification of the vehicle. Naturally, after such a replacement of the engine for tuning the car, registration of the vehicle may be refused on completely legal grounds.

Simply put, with a new engine, which is usually deliberately selected more powerful than the standard one, a number of the most important technical characteristics of the car also change. At the same time, such vehicles and their systems must be specially modified, otherwise it will not be possible to register and drive this vehicle on public roads.

It’s another matter if the motor was replaced with an absolutely similar one, that is, no changes to the standard factory design occurred. The only controversial point will be a different power unit number. Now let's move on to the problem itself.

So, the new order no longer contains any indication that the engine number does not need to be verified, and the discrepancy between the numbered units and the submitted documents serves as a basis for refusal of registration. It turns out that the situation is twofold. On the one hand, the first order allowed replacing the engine with exactly the same unit, but then the second order prohibited this.

As a result, from 2011 to 2013, all cars in which the internal combustion engine was replaced could not be registered, that is, officially registered. So, if you purchase a used car on which the engine has been replaced, but there are no corresponding marks in the title, difficulties arise. What makes the situation even worse is the fact that the requirements differ from one area to another.

In practice it looks like this. In one region of the Russian Federation, the State Traffic Safety Inspectorate does not see any problem when registering a vehicle with a replaced engine (provided that the replacement was made with the same engine). Accordingly, no marks are placed on the PTS, no additional documents are required, and the mismatched engine number does not affect the state registration procedure for the vehicle.

However, if you contact the traffic police in another region to re-register a vehicle, you may receive a refusal due to an engine replacement. Employees refer to clause 24 of the administrative regulations (Appendix No. 1 to Order No. 605). It is also noteworthy that in many cases the engine number is not indicated in the valid vehicle registration certificate; also in the registration application, the vehicle information section also does not have a column for indicating the engine number (only the engine power is indicated).

An equally difficult situation is when the engine is replaced, but the engine number in the vehicle title is different. It would seem that it is enough to write an application to the traffic police so that the corresponding changes are made to the PTS in the form of a new engine number. In practice, this is possible, but for such actions it is necessary to provide documents for the new engine.

In other words, the legality of purchasing a donor motor must be documented. If there are no such documents, then it will not be possible to change the number of the power unit in the PTS, and based on the mismatch of the number, further registration of the vehicle will be denied.

If you consider that the vehicle owner is not required to do this on his own, and the expert simply does not want to do such work, then it is understandable how cars are registered without checking the engine number.

However, you cannot rely solely on luck. On many cars there is no need to disassemble anything, that is, checking the engine number is not difficult. In simple words, if in one region the power plant number is not checked, in another there may well be difficulties; in one car it is easy to get to the number, in another it is difficult to access the number panel.

Tips and tricks

I would like to note that if you decide to buy a contract engine and make a swap, you first need to write a corresponding application and clarify information regarding what documents will be needed for further registration of the new engine.

Then you can purchase and install a contract unit on the machine, taking into account the preservation of all necessary documents. After this, you should contact the traffic police again to register the new engine. Of course, if this is not done, then the owner may not have any problems during further operation. However, when trying to cross the border or re-register such a car, the situation often changes.

Let us note once again that engine swaps for tuning and increasing power are done on cars that participate in sports competitions. As a rule, such vehicles do not travel on public roads. If such changes in the design of the car are officially registered, then, taking into account the recommended comprehensive modifications, the total cost of such tuning can be very high.

What's the result?

Having studied the real situations that Russian car owners face in practice, several important conclusions can be drawn. The main thing is to clearly understand that although the engine number may not be indicated anywhere, it is still in the traffic police database. Taking into account the above, it becomes clear that even before buying a used car, you need to know, if there is no engine number, what to do in this case. It is quite obvious that it is better to immediately refuse to purchase such a vehicle.

Finally, we note that one of the ways to get out of this situation for those who have already bought a problem car is to officially purchase another contract engine. Then the so-called “official” swap is carried out, when all the necessary documents for the new engine are submitted to the traffic police, appropriate changes are made to the title, etc.

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Engine model and number in PTS

PTS is the main document that includes all the characteristics of the car. The information includes the engine number. This indicator is individual and cannot be repeated.

What does the law say?

A car passport is a mandatory document; all information is printed on a blue form with watermarks.

The following must be included in the PTS:

Motor number;
Vin - number;
Body number;
Other parameters.

Manufacturers record the engine number on the motor. There is no specific location parameter. In Russia, it is prohibited to change the design of a car.

When buying a car, you need to check all the documents. For buyer peace of mind you need:

Look at the electric motor number on the housing;
Compare the data on the case and in the STS;
If there is no registration certificate, then compare with the PTS;
If the number on the drive is missing, then look at what number is indicated in the PTS.

No additional equipment is needed to verify this information. When meeting, you need to open the covers and find the number. A total of seventeen numbers are engraved.

In some cases, drivers change the drive to a more powerful one. At the end of the procedure, changes must be made to:

Certificate of conformity of design;
STS;
PTS.

You need to pay attention to:

VIN - it must match the PTS.
Main characteristics. Some sellers deliberately indicate incorrect volume, power and other characteristics.
Original and duplicate.
Information about the owners.
Special notes.

The drive is a spare part and its replacement can only be carried out with the permission of the traffic police.

Where exactly is the engine information located in the vehicle title?

There are 24 columns in the PTS. The 10 indicates the engine power in horsepower. 11 – motor power in hp. 12 – drive type. A PTS is required to register a car. This document controls the registration and import of vehicles from abroad. It also allows you to fight against illegal actions.

What to do if the numbers on the engine and the vehicle title do not match?

Some drivers face the problem of numbers being unreadable. This situation can be resolved. It is more difficult to prove anything if the number does not match the information on the PTS.

This problem is quite widespread. Reconciliation is carried out during registration and technical inspection.

When checking vehicle identification numbers, employees compare the numbers and numbers on the units and drive.

If the number does not match that indicated in the PTS, it is determined by the VIN code which one is the original one.

Why don't the numbers match?

Drive not registered
Stolen car

To cancel a purchase and sale agreement?

The vehicle must have violations that were hidden by the seller;
The car has incorrectly declared characteristics;
The vehicle is collateral.

If there are discrepancies, the agreement can be challenged. The discrepancy in the PTS information is a hidden fact.

To terminate the contract, you need to go to court with a statement of claim. It must indicate the circumstances that serve as the basis.

You can resolve the issue peacefully and cancel the agreement.

If the transaction has already been completed and the data does not match, the traffic police officer may refuse registration.

If there are no documents for the engine

If the car was purchased, the documents for the drive were not transferred or there are discrepancies, then you need to contact the seller and find out if he has the necessary papers.

If there are no documents, then the seller must buy a new electric motor and register it at the department.

All documents will need to be provided and only after that you can register.

If the documents for the engine

If the vehicle is purchased and the drive sign does not match, then you need to change the information entered. It will be a big plus if the car has a device that is considered acceptable. The employee will make a note on the vehicle's title.

There is no need to change the certificate. An employee's mark will be sufficient. If the vehicle is registered, the passport will be replaced.

If the electric motor is identical, no problems should arise. Changes are made to the PTS and other forms. For confirmation, a certificate and a declaration of tests performed are required.

If the drive is purchased from official dealers, no questions will arise. The seller must provide a certificate and declaration upon first request.

Registering a car with a different engine number

In order to register an electric motor, you must first prepare a package of documents. What papers will be required?

Insurance policy;
Registration certificate;
PTS;
Passport;
Documents from the organization that installed the drive;
A copy of the organization's certificate;
Purchase and sale agreement;
Cargo declaration when installing an export engine;
Duty payment receipt.

You need to come with these documents to the State Traffic Inspectorate office. At the traffic police department you need to write an application to change the engine number and register the car.

All components of the car will be checked against the data in the documents. When inspecting the car, the employee marks the completed application.

After this, you need to submit all documents to the department for processing.

The period can take from a couple of hours to several days. This process cannot last more than thirty days. After all documents have been changed or received, you need to notify the insurer.

If there are discrepancies, then you need to go through the procedure for changing the design in the PTS as soon as possible.

What can be the punishment for mismatching engine numbers?

If there are discrepancies in the engine, a fine will be imposed.

During the inspection process, employees check the car for theft. A fine of 500-800 rubles.

The car is being detained until the circumstances are clarified. The employee calls a tow truck, the car is sent to the impound lot.

Since October, new engine replacement rules have been established. If, after registering the vehicle with the traffic police, it turns out that the engine is not original, and the designations do not match the title, then the new owner will have problems.

I bought a car, the engine number does not match the title – what should I do and will I register it with the traffic police?

If the engine number does not match

Since October 7, 2018, new Vehicle Registration Rules have been in force, approved by Order of the Ministry of Internal Affairs No. 399 of September 26, 2018, which also describes the procedure for registering an engine replacement. If, after purchasing a car and registering it with the traffic police, it turns out that a non-original engine is installed on it, and the engine number does not match that indicated in the title, then the new owner may have problems. But not always. Let's look at the issue in all its intricacies.

What does the 2019 law say about engines?

Since 2011 the engine has been a spare part. And since then, there is no need to obtain traffic police permits to replace it. However, no documents are needed for the unit being installed or removed.

Replacing an engine with a completely identical one does not constitute changes to the design of the vehicle.

If the driver does not want to run around the offices registering changes to the design, then he just needs to replace the engine with a completely similar one. That is, for 2019, it is allowed to replace it with exactly the type and model of the motor that is supplied to the assembly plant, or supplied as a spare part, which, in particular, can be confirmed by the documentation of the engine manufacturer - a certificate or declaration. In this case, the unit number will not coincide with that indicated in the vehicle passport, but such changes are still legal.

About checking the engine number when registering with the traffic police

Until 2011, the issue of checking the same type of old and new engines was not thought through. And even verification of unit numbers during registration was not expected. As a result, replacing the engine with any engine suitable for a given car model began to become widespread, and car owners hardly thought that these changes probably needed to be registered in the MREO.

The maximum that a traffic police inspector could do within the framework of the law was to pay attention to the appearance of the engine when carrying out registration actions. If he guessed that the car had an engine that did not correspond to the car model, then the driver was denied registration.

The verification of the engine number was outside the legal framework, but it was quite suitable as evidence of an illegal replacement.

Since 2018, there has been clarity regarding the procedure for such a replacement.

When checking the VIN numbers of a car, the inspector also checks the numbers on other numbered units, including the engine. If the number does not match the number indicated in the PTS, then the VIN number determines which type of unit is native to this particular car.

If the engine number does not match the number in the PTS

In this case, whether or not you should worry depends on whether the original and new motors are the same:

engine's type,
model (name and beginning of number),
characteristics,
Is the new engine on the wanted list in the traffic police database?

If the engine is replaced with a similar one

If the unit was replaced with a similar one in type and model, then there should be no questions for the driver.

The car will be registered, and MREO employees will make the necessary changes to the title and data banks. Moreover, no one will ask where the new engine came from? This is by law.

In practice, there are cases of refusal, but they are not based on the law, and the requirement of a written refusal for video recording, as a rule, removes the issue.

The motor was replaced with another model

If, in addition to mismatching numbers, the engine is of a different type, higher or lower power or model, then changes to the design must be registered.

The procedure is not that complicated and has been described many times on our website. Briefly the order is as follows:

Before starting work:
1. Pass a preliminary technical examination. The examination is carried out only by accredited organizations, a list of which is presented on the website http://www.eurasiancommission.org/ru
2. Obtain permission from the traffic police to make changes.
After completing the work:
1. Pass inspection.
2. Pass a re-examination.
3. Obtain a “Certificate of modifications to the design” from the traffic police.

Until the changes made to the design of the vehicle are registered, registration of the vehicle itself will be denied.

Alternatively, the driver can prove that the new engine is being marketed as a spare part for his vehicle.

To confirm, as mentioned above, it is necessary to submit a certificate or declaration that confirms that the engine has been tested as part of this vehicle in accordance with the requirements of the technical regulations on vehicle safety. If the motor was purchased from an official dealer, then there will be no problems with the certificate or declaration. At the driver's request, the seller must provide a certificate or declaration for the purchased engine.

Engine model and number in PTS

PTS is the main document that includes all the characteristics of the car. The information includes the engine number. This indicator is individual and cannot be repeated.

What does the law say?

A car passport is a mandatory document; all information is printed on a blue form with watermarks.

The following must be included in the PTS:

Motor number;
Vin - number;
Body number;
Other parameters.

Manufacturers record the engine number on the motor. There is no specific location parameter. In Russia, it is prohibited to change the design of a car.

When buying a car, you need to check all the documents. For buyer peace of mind you need:

Look at the electric motor number on the housing;
Compare the data on the case and in the STS;
If there is no registration certificate, then compare with the PTS;
If the number on the drive is missing, then look at what number is indicated in the PTS.

No additional equipment is needed to verify this information. When meeting, you need to open the covers and find the number. A total of seventeen numbers are engraved.

In some cases, drivers change the drive to a more powerful one. At the end of the procedure, changes must be made to:

Certificate of conformity of design;
STS;
PTS.

You need to pay attention to:

VIN - it must match the PTS.
Main characteristics. Some sellers deliberately indicate incorrect volume, power and other characteristics.
Original and duplicate.
Information about the owners.
Special notes.

The drive is a spare part and its replacement can only be carried out with the permission of the traffic police.

Where exactly is the engine information located in the vehicle title?

What to do if the numbers on the engine and the vehicle title do not match?

Some drivers face the problem of numbers being unreadable. This situation can be resolved. It is more difficult to prove anything if the number does not match the information on the PTS.

This problem is quite widespread. Reconciliation is carried out during registration and technical inspection.

When checking vehicle identification numbers, employees compare the numbers and numbers on the units and drive.

If the number does not match that indicated in the PTS, it is determined by the VIN code which one is the original one.

Why don't the numbers match?

Drive not registered
Stolen car

To cancel a purchase and sale agreement?

The vehicle must have violations that were hidden by the seller;
The car has incorrectly declared characteristics;
The vehicle is collateral.

If there are discrepancies, the agreement can be challenged. The discrepancy in the PTS information is a hidden fact.

To terminate the contract, you need to go to court with a statement of claim. It must indicate the circumstances that serve as the basis.

You can resolve the issue peacefully and cancel the agreement.

If the transaction has already been completed and the data does not match, the traffic police officer may refuse registration.

If there are no documents for the engine

If the car was purchased, the documents for the drive were not transferred or there are discrepancies, then you need to contact the seller and find out if he has the necessary papers.

If there are no documents, then the seller must buy a new electric motor and register it at the department.

All documents will need to be provided and only after that you can register.

If the documents for the engine

There is no need to change the certificate. An employee's mark will be sufficient. If the vehicle is registered, the passport will be replaced.

If the electric motor is identical, no problems should arise. Changes are made to the PTS and other forms. For confirmation, a certificate and a declaration of tests performed are required.

If the drive is purchased from official dealers, no questions will arise. The seller must provide a certificate and declaration upon first request.

Registering a car with a different engine number

In order to register an electric motor, you must first prepare a package of documents. What papers will be required?

Insurance policy;
Registration certificate;
PTS;
Passport;
Documents from the organization that installed the drive;
A copy of the organization's certificate;
Purchase and sale agreement;
Cargo declaration when installing an export engine;
Duty payment receipt.

You need to come with these documents to the State Traffic Inspectorate office. At the traffic police department you need to write an application to change the engine number and register the car.

All components of the car will be checked against the data in the documents. When inspecting the car, the employee marks the completed application.

After this, you need to submit all documents to the department for processing.

The period can take from a couple of hours to several days. This process cannot last more than thirty days. After all documents have been changed or received, you need to notify the insurer.

If there are discrepancies, then you need to go through the procedure for changing the design in the PTS as soon as possible.