How to change PTS without the previous owner

How to change a title without the previous owner

Bars Ruslan, what nonsense? No registration required for PTS! Maybe he’s a reseller, for example, and why bother the place!

A record of a change of owner is made in the PTS if the document is drawn up in the LLC of horns and hooves. And the owner of the car himself makes a direct recording, assuring with his signature that he is already the new owner!

Bars Ivan, don’t listen to him, you go to the MREO and write an application for the issuance of a new title to replace the old one for lack of a record of the new owner in the latter, and attach all the documents that are required when registering the vehicle.

I've run out of space in the PTS, what should I do?

What to do if you run out of space in the PTS?

This question interests many motorists.

According to current legislation, this circumstance is considered valid for replacing an old passport with a new one. The only thing you need to do is contact the registration authorities with an application drawn up according to the form. Before you start drawing up a new document, it’s worth telling a little about its functions and purpose.

I think this is arbitrary. Moreover, I paid 500 rubles. This is taking into account the change in title.

As I understand the prices from the traffic police website. But it is useless to prove something to them, especially if you yourself are “not savvy” in this matter.

I have the same problem: the PTS has run out. I was planning to sell the car. At the dealership where I went to evaluate the car, they said that it was necessary to change the title. I paid a fee of 500 rubles, as stated on the traffic police website, signed up, and arrived at Speshilova 107.

How to replace the title if there is no place to enter the new owner when selling the car

if the personal data of the owner of the vehicle has changed. For example, the car owner changed his last name or place of residence;
if there is a change of ownership of the car.
if the technical characteristics of the car have been changed. For example, the color of the body has changed or the numbered units have been replaced (engine, chassis, frame, etc.);

In the above cases, it may be necessary to replace the PTS if there is no free space left in the document to enter new data.

What to do if the PTS is over (running out of space)?

Many motorists are concerned about the question of what to do if the PTS has expired.

This circumstance is one of the grounds for replacing the old vehicle passport and requires contacting the registration authorities with a corresponding application. streamlining the procedure for admitting vehicles to participate in road traffic; tightening control over vehicles imported into the Russian Federation; increasing the effectiveness of preventing theft and carjackings.

Andrey. Andrey. No ! Just yesterday I encountered this problem myself! The old owner had the last entry in the title.

When I contacted the traffic police, I was told by a police officer that by law the old owner was OBLIGED to replace the title before selling the car!!

And since he has already submitted the insurance to the insurance company (due to the termination of the insurance contract on the basis of the purchase and sale agreement), he cannot perform any actions related to registration actions. This is the law!! And replacing the PTS is a REGISTRATION action!

In this regard, either insure the car again to the former owner.

Replacing a car's title - documents, cost of state duty, is compulsory motor insurance required?

The vehicle passport is the main document of the car, containing all the information about the car. This document is replaced in a number of cases, for example, when all the free fields in the PTS are used and there is simply nowhere to make new entries.

Also, the car passport changes if the last name of the vehicle owner changes, or if the title is damaged or rendered unreadable.

Is it possible to change a title without the owner under a purchase and sale agreement?

39. When registering vehicles.

changing registration data, deregistering vehicles, issuing registration documents and vehicle passports, registration plates to replace those lost or unsuitable for use in relation to vehicles produced by manufacturing organizations or imported into the territory of the Russian Federation before the entry into force of vehicle passports, except for the cases provided for in paragraph 28 of these Rules, as well as in the absence of vehicle passports for vehicles sold by trade organizations on the basis of agreements concluded with authorized military authorities, or manufactured as a single vehicle, vehicle registration departments issue vehicle passports.

Replacing the title without the old owner of the car

Is it possible to change the title without the old owner?

I didn’t buy the car from the owner and didn’t see that the title was full and is it possible to replace the title without the owner?

According to Letter of the Federal Tax Service dated April 18, 2013 N ED-3-3/1418@, ownership of a car upon its purchase arises from a citizen in accordance with Article 223 of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation - at the time of transfer of the car to the buyer. According to clause 16 of the Regulations on PTS and PShTS, approved by Order of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia N 496, if it is impossible to further use the passport due to filling out all its details on the change of ownership of the vehicle by the State Traffic Inspectorate unit at the place of the last transaction aimed at terminating and acquiring ownership of the car, Instead of a used passport, a duplicate passport is issued, in which, in the “Special Notes” section, records are made about previously issued passports. The replacement of the passport is carried out on the basis of an application from the owner or owner of the vehicle. Since you are the owner from the moment you receive the car from the seller, a duplicate title must be issued to the traffic police at the place of the transaction at your request. Participation in replacing the title of the previous owner is optional. To register a car in your name, its presence is also not required (clause 56.1 of the Administrative Regulations, approved by Order of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia dated August 7, 2013 N 605).

Is it possible to change a title without the owner under a purchase and sale agreement?

- if the car has not been re-registered. then you can’t change it and vice versa. If you have issued it, you can change it. because you will be its owner. according to Art. 209 of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation.

Yes, you can change the PTS if it indicates you as the new owner of the vehicle.

ORDER of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia dated November 24, 2008 N 1001 “ON THE PROCEDURE FOR REGISTRATION OF VEHICLES” indicates:

“Vehicles, except for the cases provided for by these Rules, are registered only with the owners of vehicles - legal entities or individuals indicated in vehicle passports, contracts concluded in the prescribed manner or other documents certifying ownership of vehicles in accordance with the legislation of the Russian Federation. Federation".

As stated in clause 16 of the Regulations on vehicle passports, approved by Order of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia N 496, the Ministry of Industry and Energy of Russia N 192, the Ministry of Economic Development of Russia N 134 of June 23, 2005, the replacement of a vehicle passport is carried out on the basis of an application from the owner or owner of the vehicle .

If, for example, there is a court decision recognizing your ownership of the car, you will be able to change the title. But a purchase and sale agreement alone is not enough.

In order to change the title, you need to register the car in your name, but you can do the registration without the participation of the seller, and then change the title. But if the replacement is due to the fact that all the fields about the owner in the title are filled in, then from the beginning the seller must change the title himself, then, as I wrote above, you will be able to re-register the car in your name without his participation.

Order of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia dated November 24, 2008 N 1001 (as amended on February 13, 2015) “On the procedure for registering vehicles” (together with the “Rules for registering motor vehicles and trailers for them with the State Road Safety Inspectorate.

32. The issuance of vehicle passports in replacement of those lost or unsuitable for use when registering vehicles after their deregistration due to a change in the place of registration of their owners, termination of ownership of vehicles (when registering such a vehicle for another person) is carried out at the place of registration of the vehicle after receiving confirmation of registration data from the previous place of registration.

You will not be able to due to the requirements of clause 16 of the Regulations on vehicle passports, approved by Order of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia N 496, Ministry of Industry and Energy of Russia N 192, Ministry of Economic Development of Russia N 134 dated 06/23/2005.

Let him give you a power of attorney and you will deal with the replacement of the PTS.

Yes you can, according to

Registered with the Ministry of Justice of Russia on December 30, 2008 N 13051

MINISTRY OF INTERNAL AFFAIRS OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION

dated November 24, 2008 N 1001

ABOUT THE PROCEDURE FOR REGISTRATION OF VEHICLES

39. When registering vehicles, changing registration data, deregistering vehicles, issuing registration documents and passports of vehicles, registration plates to replace those lost or unsuitable for use in relation to vehicles produced by manufacturing organizations or imported into the territory of the Russian Federation before introduction of vehicle passports into force, except for the cases provided for in paragraph 28 of these Rules, as well as in the absence of vehicle passports for vehicles sold by trade organizations on the basis of agreements concluded with authorized military authorities, or manufactured as a single vehicle, registered departments issue vehicle passports.

(as amended by Order of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia dated January 20, 2011 N 28)

(see text in the previous edition)

The production of copies (photocopies) of issued vehicle passports upon completion of registration actions is carried out by registration departments, without charging additional fees.

(paragraph introduced by Order of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia dated January 20, 2011 N 28)

40. The following are issued for registered vehicles:

a vehicle registration certificate corresponding to the model approved in the manner established by the regulatory legal acts of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia;

Hello. Go and change your title, according to the policy you are the owner.

The Ministry's order dated November 24, 2008 contains confirmation that a valid registration record is created by the traffic police authorities only after the submission of an application by the current owner. Accordingly, if there is no space in the PTS, government officials are required to give you a new passport.

According to the amendments made to the Regulations on PTS approved. joint order of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation N 26, the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation N 18 and the Federal Customs Service of the Russian Federation N 80 dated January 19, 2011) “The replacement of a passport is carried out on the basis of an application from the owner or owner of the vehicle on the day of its application, and in cases requiring additional checks - a decision the possibility of replacing a passport is accepted based on their results within 30 days from the date of receipt of the application.

The new owner, on the basis of a purchase and sale agreement, or an authorized representative can change the title, .

There was no room to include me in the PTS. There is only a purchase and sale agreement in hand. and the owner is in another city

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-and yet. look for the owner. it will be more reliable. or get a power of attorney from him for a third party. but you need to see the documents. if the car has not been re-registered. then you can’t change it and vice versa. If you have issued it, you can change it. because you will be its owner. according to Art. 209 of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation.

Anton, unfortunately, this does not change the options for solving the problem.

«The validity of the passport is not limited by period. When the ownership of vehicles or chassis changes, appropriate entries are made in the passports. which are transferred to new owners or owners.

If it is impossible to further use the passport due to its deterioration or the filling in of all its details regarding the change of ownership of the vehicle or chassis by the State Traffic Inspectorate unit at the place of the last transaction aimed at terminating and acquiring ownership of the vehicle or chassis, a duplicate passport is issued instead of the used passport, in which, in the “Special Notes” section, records are made about previously issued passports.

Passport replacement is carried out on the basis of an application from the owner or owner of the vehicle«.

(See: clause 16 of the Regulations on vehicle passports, approved by Order of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia N 496, Ministry of Industry and Energy of Russia N 192, Ministry of Economic Development of Russia N 134 of June 23, 2005).

Ask the owner (seller) to send you a notarized power of attorney by mail.

You need to figure out who is the owner now. Without the owner or a power of attorney from him, it is impossible to re-register the title. The easiest way is if the seller sends you a power of attorney.

Order of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia N 496, Ministry of Industry and Energy of Russia N 192, Ministry of Economic Development of Russia N 134 dated 06/23/2005

“On approval of the Regulations on vehicle passports and vehicle chassis passports”

Article 456. Obligations of the seller to transfer the goods
[Civil Code of the Russian Federation] [Chapter 30] [Article 456]
1. The seller is obliged to transfer to the buyer the goods provided for in the purchase and sale agreement.

2. Unless otherwise provided by the purchase and sale agreement, the seller is obliged, simultaneously with the transfer of the thing, to transfer to the buyer its accessories, as well as related documents (technical passport, quality certificate, operating instructions, etc.), provided for by law, other legal acts or agreement.

Article 209. Contents of the right of ownership
[Civil Code of the Russian Federation] [Chapter 13] [Article 209]
1. The owner has the rights to own, use and dispose of his property.

2. The owner has the right, at his own discretion, to take any actions in relation to his property that do not contradict the law and other legal acts and do not violate the rights and interests protected by law of other persons, including alienating his property into the ownership of other persons, transferring it to them, while remaining the owner , the right to own, use and dispose of property, pledge property and encumber it in other ways, dispose of it in any other way.

3. Possession, use and disposal of land and other natural resources, to the extent that their circulation is permitted by law (Article 129), is carried out by their owner freely, if this does not cause damage to the environment and does not violate the rights and legitimate interests of other persons.

4. The owner can transfer his property into trust management to another person (trustee). The transfer of property into trust management does not entail the transfer of ownership rights to the trustee, who is obliged to manage the property in the interests of the owner or a third party specified by him.

Replacing a vehicle title if there is no room for a new owner

Are you planning to buy or sell a car? We had already drawn up a purchase and sale agreement and accidentally noticed that there was no room in the title for the new owner. You must contact the registration department of the State Traffic Safety Inspectorate (MREO, TNRER).

Who should apply for a replacement title: the former or the new owner? What documents are needed, what is the replacement procedure and cost? Let's look at these and other questions in this article. We’ll also tell you how to save on paying state fees.

In what cases may it be necessary to replace the vehicle title?

loss

dilapidated condition

changing the owner’s personal data or technical characteristics of the car

lack of a free column (block) for the new owner

Who is obliged to replace the title: the former or the new owner?

The PTS contains 6 blocks in which data about the owner, registration and deregistration are entered. When purchasing a new car, as a rule, 2 blocks are already filled. The first block is filled in by customs, the second block is filled in by the dealer. There are 4 blocks left for subsequent owners.

The need to fill out subsequent blocks, in addition to the change of owner, is due to a change in the owner’s personal data, a change in state registration plates (license plates), and corrections of typos and errors. Therefore, situations cannot be excluded when in fact one owner can use all the remaining 4 blocks.

When selling a car, a purchase and sale agreement is concluded, at the same time the data of the new owner is entered into the title and the signature of the previous owner is affixed.

The question arises: if there is no place in the title for a new owner, then after the transaction is completed, where should the data of the new owner be entered? Does the previous owner need to come to the registration department of the traffic police?

To understand, let’s find out what PTS is? According to the official concept, PTS (vehicle passport) is a document containing information about the main technical characteristics of the vehicle, identification data of the main units, information about the owner, registration and deregistration.

Based on the concept, PTS is a document that contains various information. It is not a document confirming ownership. A document confirming ownership is a purchase and sale agreement (exchange, gift).

According to Article 223 of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation, ownership rights arise from the moment the thing is transferred. By concluding a purchase and sale agreement, the seller undertakes to transfer the car to the buyer. Therefore, ownership rights arise from the moment the purchase and sale agreement is concluded.

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After the conclusion of the contract, the owner is the buyer, and he is obliged to register the car within 10 days.

There is no need for the previous owner to come to the traffic police department. The signature of the previous owner is placed in the “signature of the previous owner” column of the last block. The new owner will be issued a duplicate title with the mark “issued to replace the disposed one.” The old PTS remains in the traffic police department, is stored there for some time and then destroyed.

application (issued by the registrar upon application)

identification document (passport, foreign passport)

certificate of registration (CTC)

vehicle passport (PTS)

receipt of payment of state duty

OSAGO policy

power of attorney (if the applicant acts on behalf of the owner)

We arrive at any traffic police registration office. We submit the package of documents to the registrar’s window and act according to his instructions. To avoid queues, it is advisable to make an appointment through the government services portal and arrive at the appointed time.

Cost (expenses)

the fee for replacing the vehicle title is 800 rubles (clause 36 of part 1 of article 333.33 of the Tax Code)

fee for issuing STS 500 rubles

The fee for issuing new license plates is 2,000 rubles (1,500 for motor vehicles) - if replacement is necessary, there is no obligation to replace the plates, you can leave the old ones. The owner pays the state fee

bank or payment system commission

coffee, travel

A significant advantage is that from January 1, 2017 to January 1, 2019, you can get a 30% discount if the fee is paid through the government services portal.

Conclusion

If there is no place in the PTS for the new owner, the re-registration procedure is no different, except for the amount of the state duty. When receiving a duplicate, you must pay 800 rubles, instead of 350 when only information about the new owner is entered into the document.

What if there is no room on the title for the new owner of the car?

Replacing a completed PTS

The process of transferring ownership of a car from hand to hand includes signing a purchase and sale agreement in at least 3 copies, transferring money, a vehicle registration certificate and recording the new owner in the vehicle passport. At the same time, there is not much space in the PTS to accommodate new owners of the car, and one day it may turn out that there is no room in the PTS for the new owner.

What to do in this case? It is obvious to change the PTS. This can be done by both the old owner of the car and the new one. On a standard PTS for 2019, there are formally 7 places for recording car owners (including columns 21 and 22 on the first page). If the place in the PTS is over, then you can enter the new owner in the fields. But let's talk about everything in order!

How to sell a car if there is no space on the title?

Selling a car with a completed vehicle passport is very simple. The fact is that if there is no room in the title for a new owner, then it needs to be replaced. But to sell a car, you don’t need to do this if you are a seller. The new owner can do this, or you can do it too - nothing prevents you from making a replacement. Let's take a closer look at who is better off doing this.

Who should change the vehicle title if it runs out of space?

According to the law, only the owner of the vehicle can make changes and change the title. The curious thing is that, in fact, at the time of selling the car, both the seller and the buyer can change the title, because even if the purchase and sale agreement has already been signed, the traffic police do not know about the change of owner - therefore, changing the title when there is no room in it can salesman.

The buyer can change the title as a new owner by presenting the purchase and sale agreement to the traffic police. However, in practice, sometimes there are stubborn traffic police officers who refuse to change the vehicle’s passport, arguing that the replacement should supposedly be made by the old owner, since it was he who ran out of space in the title. This is illegal, since not a single legal act regulates the replacement of a PTS immediately as soon as it runs out of space for records of new owners. Consequently, the one who has run out of space is not obliged to change it, but has the right to do so.

How to change a completed PTS?

The said document is changed in the same way as if it had been lost or misplaced. It is enough to write an application for a replacement vehicle title and pay the state fee for such a replacement. The only difference is that if there is no space in the title, you will have to pay the state fee for a replacement, and not for making entries about the new owner. The difference in the price of the state duty is 450 rubles: if making changes will cost you 350 rubles, then replacing the PTS will cost you 800 rubles.

As a result of submitting the application and paying the state fee, you will receive a blank vehicle title marked “duplicate”.

But there is one caveat. Making an entry about the new owner in the title is mandatory when selling a car. Therefore, if the completed PTS is replaced by a new owner, and there is no space in the old PTS, then information about the new owner and his signature can be written in the margins. Nothing wrong with that. By the way, you can continue to put on the margins further when selling the car to subsequent owners, but the MREO may not understand such changes.